If you're trying to sell something, don't be an ***hole. (general discussion)

by Fawteen ⌂, East Overshoe, Maine, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 09:34 (10 days ago)

After looking at nearly a dozen places for my grandson, we finally found a place that was in decent shape and reasonably priced. They went back and forth a little and agreed on price.

The appraisal went well. Grandson got approved for the loan, put down earnest money, hired a professional home inspector and the inspection went well. Minor issues, easily fixed. Owner agreed to have the furnace serviced, the rest of it was just routine home maintenance.

The basic home inspection did not include the septic system. Being rural and on a tank-and-drain field system, I advised him to pony up for the inspection. NOT a place you want to have any surprises.

KA-RASH! Septic failed bigly. Drain field not working, tank full, evidence of ponding and even having had sewage backing into the house.

Okay, bad, but not terminal. Surely the owner will either get it fixed or deduct the price of a new system from the price of the house.

Nope.

Well, uh...how about splitting the cost of a new system?

Nope. Not one dime.

How about extending the due diligence period so we can figure this out?

No. Sucks to be you.

Yeah...uh...not as much as you planned on it doesn't. Eff this, eff you, eff your agent. Expect to hear from our lawyer in Small Claims Court to recover nearly $2000 in inspection and appraisal fees.

Oh, and Good Luck trying to sell a house with a known bad septic system.

So the hunt is on again. Also, Grandson has 17 days left to get out of his place. So we'll be storing most of his stuff here plus hosting the 4 of them for however long it takes for them to either find another house or a rental.

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by tacon1, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 10:48 (10 days ago) @ Fawteen

If the sewage was even backing up into the house that should have been stated on the seller's disclosure form as required by the state of Maine. If they failed to note that problem with the septic you've got them by the short ones.

If you're trying to sell something, don't be an ***hole.

by ma10, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 11:50 (10 days ago) @ tacon1

sounds like a pretty "shitty" thing to try an' pull over on someone.

If you're trying to sell something, don't be an ***hole.

by Fawteen ⌂, East Overshoe, Maine, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 13:10 (10 days ago) @ tacon1

I'm pretty sure they knew and just tried to hide it. Surprised their realtor went along with it.

The fact that there was no mention of the septic system in the disclosure documents is what made me suspicious.

Didn't smell right, you might say...

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by Bkeepr, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 12:07 (10 days ago) @ Fawteen

Incredible. Glad they followed your advice.

The owners may yet change their minds and try to deal, once they figure out that the word is out that the house has *known* septic issues.

If you're trying to sell something, don't be an ***hole.

by tacon1, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 12:17 (10 days ago) @ Fawteen

Just a follow up to my post above. What did the disclosure report have in the area under wastewater disposal?

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by Fawteen ⌂, East Overshoe, Maine, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 13:05 (10 days ago) @ tacon1

Nothing, which I now suspect was by design. They also didn't have a water quality report in their disclosure.

Pretty shady all the way around from what I can see.

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by tacon1, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 14:13 (10 days ago) @ Fawteen

Nothing, which I now suspect was by design. They also didn't have a water quality report in their disclosure.

Pretty shady all the way around from what I can see.

I'm assuming the disclosure was presented (as required) prior to making the offer. If those sections were left blank (which it states at the top not to leave any section blank) that should have raised a BIG RED FLAG. Buyer Beware!

I'd still make a call to the Realtor's office and have a chat with the Broker. The seller may be saying no to the cost of fixing the problem, but the Broker will not want to have his/her license in jeopardy.

Out here they'd both lose in court.

If you're trying to sell something, don't be an ***hole.

by Fawteen ⌂, East Overshoe, Maine, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 14:22 (10 days ago) @ tacon1

Actually, I never saw the disclosure paperwork, now that you mention it. Another flag.

Grandson's realtor is on it.

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by tacon1, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 14:51 (10 days ago) @ Fawteen

Actually, I never saw the disclosure paperwork, now that you mention it. Another flag.

Grandson's realtor is on it.

Now that you mention it, Grandson's realtor should have been all over that from the get-go.

If you're trying to sell something, don't be an ***hole.

by Ron ⌂, Central Pennsylvania, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 15:34 (10 days ago) @ Fawteen

Here in PA, if you KNOWINGLY with hold this kind of information, yer tail's in a crack and so's your realtor.

I'd do some checking, but I suppose your attorney would know if this applied up there, but then I'd be after the seller for my attorney fees.

If you were to come to me with information of a failed septic system in our Borough, our SEO would most certainly revoke the occupancy permit for the house and cause it to be vacated. Then we'd be testing the well water.

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by tacon1, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 16:01 (10 days ago) @ Ron

A couple of other things. Quite often a lender will not approve a loan on a home with a failed septic system, but I think you said they had been approved. Or were they approved contingent on inspections?

Also, If you fail to disclose a failed septic system that you were aware of when selling a home, you can be sued and held liable for damages. Out here I've heard of some outrageous outcomes from lawsuits that came from things that were not put on the disclosure form by the seller.

If the seller fails to disclose a failed septic system they can be putting the health of people, wildlife, and the local water supply at risk. As I said, the court will eat them alive.

If you're trying to sell something, don't be an ***hole.

by Larry806, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 16:35 (10 days ago) @ Fawteen

Been around a few real state deals in the last couple years never heard of a disclosure.
That said here you have to guarantee the septic system for 1 year from closing . If it fails you are on the hook to get a new system installed .

If you're trying to sell something, don't be an ***hole.

by tacon1, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 16:39 (10 days ago) @ Larry806

Been around a few real state deals in the last couple years never heard of a disclosure.
That said here you have to guarantee the septic system for 1 year from closing . If it fails you are on the hook to get a new system installed .

Hey Larry, Google disclosures for your state. I thought all the states had them.

If you're trying to sell something, don't be an ***hole.

by moll, Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 16:55 (10 days ago) @ Fawteen

Yeah, sounds like he probably expected there was a problem too, that's fraud.

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by GeneMO, Central Missouri, Wednesday, March 13, 2019, 15:30 (9 days ago) @ Fawteen

Around here, the seller, the relator, and the home inspector would be in deep DODO! Failure to disclose a known problem is not taken kindly.

Gene

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